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Supertramp
crazy about OAC
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 Posted - 31 March 2010 : 12:11:18
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i've been wondering if it is a possibility to repackage canned food using a foodsaver vacuum packer.for example:take a can of salmon,tuna ham or zoodles for that matter and divide and reseal.i understand the proper handling to keep it clean but once it is sealed-it is sealed and air free.i have asked some people and they say no but i can't understand why-has anyone tried this and if so what were the results-i'm only thinking of a week or two
p.s-foodsaver on sale this week at Canadian Tire $57.99 =good deal |
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Laurie Ann
forum admin
Canada
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Posted - 31 March 2010 : 12:16:07
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Sure... it's possible... if you want to open yourself up to food borne illness. As soon as you open the can you expose the food to air and moisture from that air and consequently bacteria. You can buy salmon and tuna in foil pouches and Aylmer also makes spaghetti sauce in pouches now... just add some pasta and you are good to go.
I'd also recommend that you look at a higher end vacuum sealer and avoid the cheapie FoodSaver. The cheaper models can be problematic. If you are going to spend $57.99 you'd be better off to put that towards a food dehydrator and make your own meals.
Just my two cents. |
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Selena
crazy about OAC
Canada
289 Posts |
Posted - 31 March 2010 : 12:25:18
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I kind of thought that Supertramp's idea was a good one. Really the only thing we can get in foil in Canada is the tuna or smoked salmon, not regular salmon, no clams, shrimp etc. And while you can dry most of those things, it seems salmon is the real troublemaker.
I guess a couple of weeks might be pushing it, but if I was going for a weekend, then I might try it. Just keep it in the fridge until you go, in a cooler in the car, and maybe wrap in a damp cloth on the trail. That should help extend the life of it, I'd think. |
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HappyCamper
getting warmed up
Canada
32 Posts |
Posted - 01 April 2010 : 19:54:43
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Supertramp,
I understand what you were getting at. My comment will be this. What is the big deal with the can. We should not burn any bag anyway and take everything back with us. Cans can be flatten. I know there is a difference in weight, is this a big deal. Lets say you go on a 10 day trip, and you eat one can of salmon for lunch everyday of the trip. The weight of salmon is there regardless, 10 bags or 10 cans what would be the difference, 1 lbs at the most for all can..... minus 10 vaccuum bag!!!!
Maybe we should start a new tread and get some input from the light and ultralight community. Supertramp I did not want to change the subject, but I would love to hear about the subject from anybody that looks at onces and weight very seriously.
My 2 cents. |
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Supertramp
crazy about OAC
254 Posts |
Posted - 01 April 2010 : 21:50:20
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| no i understand about the can ,it was more me snooping around in what i call my wifes bomb shelter of food supplies (i think we could live for months from it).with feeding 7 in my house we are a Costco family and everything comes supersized.it was just a feeling out question more than anything and yes i do have a dehydrator and will use it but got to thinking about packaging food as days and portions as is. |
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Selena
crazy about OAC
Canada
289 Posts |
Posted - 01 April 2010 : 23:59:01
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| Um... and technically, cans (and bottles) are banned in many of the provincial parks. |
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Laurie Ann
forum admin
Canada
7086 Posts |
Posted - 02 April 2010 : 05:39:48
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For the record.... things like canned beans and such dehydrate beautifully.
Selena... I believe, at least in Ontario, that cans and bottles are banned in ALL provincial parks. Then we come to the issues of bulk and weight.
Happy Camper feel free to start a new thread on the topic of packaging weights. |
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HappyCamper
getting warmed up
Canada
32 Posts |
Posted - 02 April 2010 : 06:41:21
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| If you can not bring cans and bottles. How do people bring their BEER???????? |
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Dutchie
addicted to OAC
Canada
657 Posts |
Posted - 02 April 2010 : 07:14:07
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volts600
moderator
Canada
621 Posts |
Posted - 02 April 2010 : 08:37:03
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| I would just do you own foods with the dehydrator and avoid the risk of severe food poisoning. Cans are washed, filled, sealed and then either sent through a microwave tunnel or an autoclave to kill any bacteria that might be in/on the can (I've worked in food plants). |
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scoutergriz
addicted to OAC
Canada
693 Posts |
Posted - 02 April 2010 : 09:21:24
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I asked my Dietician at my cardiac rehab and she stated very emphatically "don't do it". Her explanation was that any canned foods other than "shelf stable foods" like peanut butter need to be kept at a maximum of +4c if not consumed within 2hrs.
The problem is; as soon as you break the vaccuum seal, airborne contaminants will rush in and start breeding (one or two bacteria can start a colony)the amount will be low enough for most people to tolerate with no ill effects if under 2 hours, but don't forget bacteria grows exponentially- like the old commercial "I told two friends, and they told two friends, and they told two friends...." so if there are 50 bacterium, they become 100, which become 200, which become 400,800,1600, etc. It won't take long for the bacteria to number in the millions |
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Donny
a post-count junkie
Canada
1013 Posts |
Posted - 03 April 2010 : 16:49:27
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Originally posted by Laurie Ann
Selena... I believe, at least in Ontario, that cans and bottles are banned in ALL provincial parks.
This is driving me crazy. I used to have this information at my finger tips but for some reason I can't find it rght now. Perhaps someone else can help out while I continue to search?
If I recall there are only 4 parks in Ontario that have the can and bottle ban for interior camping. Algonquin, Killarney, Quetico and Lake Superior.
But as I say, I can't confirm that right now but I'm sure I'm close. Might be 5 parks????
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canuckcamper
a post-count junkie
Canada
1043 Posts |
Posted - 04 April 2010 : 01:05:12
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| Personally, I prefer to dehydrate my beer for camping trips....... as far as canned foods go, if you are willing to put up with the weight, reseal canned foods and freeze them, when you are ready to head out, wrap each pack in aluminum foil, then in newspaper and again in aluminum foil, this still creates garbage but is easier to deal with than cans, easier to pack as well! |
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Selena
crazy about OAC
Canada
289 Posts |
Posted - 04 April 2010 : 18:57:50
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quote:
Originally posted by Donny
quote:
Originally posted by Laurie Ann
Selena... I believe, at least in Ontario, that cans and bottles are banned in ALL provincial parks.
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If I recall there are only 4 parks in Ontario that have the can and bottle ban for interior camping. Algonquin, Killarney, Quetico and Lake Superior.
I originally had typed in that they are banned in all of Ontario. Then decided to check before I hit send. I could not find anything that said there was a province-wide ban. There were only a few parks, like you mentioned, Donny, that specifically say they have a bottle/can ban. I probably spent 10 minutes trying to find that info, too. Funny how badly documented the province's rules and regulations are!
At any rate, I am usually found in Algonquin, so the can ban does affect me for sure when I go out. It's quite obvious that not everyone adheres to that rule. The last time I was out, I found 3 FULL and unopened cans of various stews. That really p*ssed me off. We ended up packing them out for the garbage bin. |
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Laurie Ann
forum admin
Canada
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Todd
crazy about OAC
363 Posts |
Posted - 06 April 2010 : 17:12:55
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I can see the bottles I guess, but Ive mostly ignored the can ban, guess Im not a conformist, lol. I eat whatevers in it burn it then pack out the fire cleaned can, not that big a deal really, mind you the biggest thing we ever brought was usually a tuna can or two, which is mostly available in pouches now.
Now If you have some of those costco megadoodle 12lb pork and beans cans, I can see why your askin,, lol.
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Tripper
forum admin
Canada
529 Posts |
Posted - 06 April 2010 : 18:23:08
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Originally posted by canuckcamper
Personally, I prefer to dehydrate my beer for camping trips.......
Dehydrated beer sure is easier to pack than bottled or canned beer.
And I also buy dehydrated water as well. That way I know I'm safe when I drink it or use it to rehydrate my dehydrated beer.
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HappyCamper
getting warmed up
Canada
32 Posts |
Posted - 06 April 2010 : 19:18:27
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Selena, maybe the Park that you were looking for was FRONTENAC.
Tripper, I just ordered a 24 of that beer, little pricy but if it taste good, it's a little price to pay to help the environment.
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HappyCamper
getting warmed up
Canada
32 Posts |
Posted - 06 April 2010 : 19:21:43
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quote:
Happy Camper feel free to start a new thread on the topic of packaging weights.
In which section would you want to see it. |
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Preacher
moderator
1111 Posts |
Posted - 06 April 2010 : 19:24:29
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Maybe do a test.
You could pasteurise after repackaging, if the plastic you use can take it.
I hate packing water. All that weight. I love my dehydrator.
Beer comes in plastic bottles. |
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canuckcamper
a post-count junkie
Canada
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thoughts on repackaging canned food
